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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:39 PM
I'm not arguing
@entertain,me 😎 - jump yes you are giving arguments for your position
9:40 PM
do you understand why we find you contradictory?
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
I'm not arguing
@entertain,me 😎 - jump yes you are giving arguments for your position
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:40 PM
OK you're right there
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
I'm not arguing
@entertain,me 😎 - jump yes you are giving arguments for your position
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:40 PM
Argument is a big word...
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:40 PM
Your basically using an incredibly round about way to say "i dont think tulpas are separate"
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:40 PM
I feel like this is more so a discussion
9:40 PM
Nobody's downplaying one another
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entertain,me 😎
OK you're right there
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:40 PM
But your position is subjective...
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:40 PM
Exactly, which is me
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entertain,me 😎
Exactly, which is me
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:41 PM
Do you agree then that i am right to say that tulpas are not you?
9:41 PM
In my perspective
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:41 PM
i'm not saying you are fighting, i mean argument as in:
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:41 PM
If be banal to say someone else controlled my feelings and body to do what I didn't want to do
9:41 PM
It'd still be me
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:41 PM
There isn't objectivity to anything in this world
@entertain,me 😎 - jump so why are you arguing for objectivity of one perspective?
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entertain,me 😎
It'd still be me
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
Thats in your perspective
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entertain,me 😎
It'd still be me
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
Going back to "me is an objective reality" i see...
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
There isn't objectivity to anything in this world
@entertain,me 😎 - jump so why are you arguing for objectivity of one perspective?
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
I already said nothing is objective
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
then why do you say tulpa is still you?
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entertain,me 😎
I already said nothing is objective
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
unless it confirms you you mean?
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
But maybe to shibi, thats not the Case
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entertain,me 😎
I already said nothing is objective
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
Would the statement "tulpas are not you" correct in MY perspective (which is as valid as yours is)?
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berockly (TTG)
Thats in your perspective
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:42 PM
Exactly, and you're open to your own opinions and perspectives which is still you
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:43 PM
tulpas are you, and they are not, and they are both at the same time, and neither
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Would the statement "tulpas are not you" correct in MY perspective (which is as valid as yours is)?
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:43 PM
Lemme ask you this
9:43 PM
What the name of your tulpa
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What their gender
9:43 PM
Age
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
tulpas are you, and they are not, and they are both at the same time, and neither
Yeah I like this definition
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entertain,me 😎
Lemme ask you this
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:43 PM
first answer yes or no
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:43 PM
Height
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entertain,me 😎
Exactly, and you're open to your own opinions and perspectives which is still you
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:43 PM
right, but the poiNt we are trying to make is that other perspectives do indeed exist and are correct to the people holding said perspectives
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
first answer yes or no
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:43 PM
No, because it logically wouldn't make sense, but then again it's subjective
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
jesus i'm done here
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
Have fun shibi
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entertain,me 😎
No, because it logically wouldn't make sense, but then again it's subjective
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
Logic is not about reality, is about definitions...
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berockly (TTG)
right, but the poiNt we are trying to make is that other perspectives do indeed exist and are correct to the people holding said perspectives
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
And I agree but my point is, why is that not "you"
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
i can't believe someone can't see a massive hole in their argument
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
You are confusing definitions with reality...
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
or there isn't, but you are not communicating it well
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entertain,me 😎
And I agree but my point is, why is that not "you"
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
It is not you because i said so
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Logic is not about reality, is about definitions...
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
Logic is based on reality
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entertain,me 😎
Logic is based on reality
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
NO ITS NOT!
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
Your perspective is simply wrong, and mine is not
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berockly (TTG)
It is not you because i said so
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:44 PM
So it's opinionated meaning it's still you
9:44 PM
That my entire point
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entertain,me 😎
So it's opinionated meaning it's still you
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
But hey, everything is subjective
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entertain,me 😎
So it's opinionated meaning it's still you
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
Are you aware that it stil being you is ALSO an opinion?
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
Opinions are indeed subjective
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
Your argument is ALSO an opinion
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entertain,me 😎
Opinions are indeed subjective
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
is "tulpas are you" an opinion?
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
NO ITS NOT!
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
You seriously try to "yell" in a text chat?
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
So your
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
is "tulpas are you" an opinion?
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
Yes
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entertain,me 😎
Yes
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:45 PM
and if it is, is the opposite opinion valid?
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entertain,me 😎
You seriously try to "yell" in a text chat?
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:46 PM
Yes
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
and if it is, is the opposite opinion valid?
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:46 PM
In opinion yes
9:46 PM
You can't have an opinion is you aren't you
9:46 PM
Your just be a robot
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entertain,me 😎
In opinion yes
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:46 PM
In objective truth not?
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:47 PM
Why do you keep bringing up objective
9:47 PM
There isn't an objective truth
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:47 PM
Godoftrees, our point is that your view on self is not objective
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:47 PM
Stop having me repeat things
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entertain,me 😎
Why do you keep bringing up objective
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:47 PM
Im not the one bringing it up, its you.
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:47 PM
It is an opinion
9:47 PM
It is subjective
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:47 PM
Im just pointing it out...
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Im not the one bringing it up, its you.
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:47 PM
I already said 5 times it's purely subjective
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entertain,me 😎
Why do you keep bringing up objective
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
Your saying that a tulpa is objectively a part of you
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
And if its subjective it's you
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berockly (TTG)
Your saying that a tulpa is objectively a part of you
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
Whether or not a person subjectively believes otherwise
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berockly (TTG)
Your saying that a tulpa is objectively a part of you
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
There isn't an objectivity to that statement
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
But you are also sayiNg there is no objective "you"
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
Which is why I said I said logic
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entertain,me 😎
I already said 5 times it's purely subjective
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
Let me sumarize your reasoning: Opinions are subjective. "Tulpas are you" is an opinion. The oposite is an opinion. They are both equally valid. One is right and the other is wrong...
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berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:48 PM
Which is contradictory
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:49 PM
Opinions are subjective... One is right and the other is wrong...
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Let me sumarize your reasoning: Opinions are subjective. "Tulpas are you" is an opinion. The oposite is an opinion. They are both equally valid. One is right and the other is wrong...
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:49 PM
Neither are right or wrong subjective
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:49 PM
Then, am i right in saying that tulpas are not you?
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:49 PM
My point is though is that if you can recognize that you have a different personality inside your head. It can't be anyone but you
9:49 PM
Which is why insaif
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:49 PM
answer my question
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:49 PM
I said
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Unconscious action
9:50 PM
It still you
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:50 PM
it would be very helpful if you just started answering questions
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entertain,me 😎
Neither are right or wrong subjective
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:50 PM
Neither are right or wrong but mine is right and yours is wrong!
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entertain,me 😎
My point is though is that if you can recognize that you have a different personality inside your head. It can't be anyone but you
berockly (TTG) 3/3/2023 9:50 PM
Trees THIS is you claiming a definition of you is objective
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
it would be very helpful if you just started answering questions
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:50 PM
Maybe you should give me time to reply instead of throwing 3 questions at me atta time
9:50 PM
I can't answer all of you at the same damn time
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:50 PM
half the time there is a question you just change the topic
9:50 PM
i stopped talking to give shibi room
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧
half the time there is a question you just change the topic
Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:51 PM
half?
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:51 PM
so you could start answering his questions at least
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entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:51 PM
It just branches further and further from my point
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:51 PM
Your point is "tulpas are you"
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KiTTiKaTTy( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧ BOT 3/3/2023 9:51 PM
yeah you branch it out
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)
Your point is "tulpas are you"
entertain,me 😎 3/3/2023 9:51 PM
Yeah
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Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し) 3/3/2023 9:51 PM
And your point must be proven above everything else
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